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Title: Black plastic cases
Post by: Ghegs on August 05, 2008, 05:41:16 am
Just got my Gimmick! the other day and I thought to myself "Damn! Why couldn't all Famicom games come in these sexy cases?" So I started wondering what games DID come in them.

I only know of the ones I have, those being Gimmick!, Batman and Captain Saver...
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: manuel on August 05, 2008, 05:57:59 am
I know of several Baseball games, Mirai Shinwa Jarvas and Don Doko Don 2.
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: UglyJoe on August 05, 2008, 06:33:48 am
Family Computer 1983 - 1994 has pictures of all the game boxes.  We could use that to figure out which games did or didn't have cases.  I would guess only certain companies did it, and maybe they only did it for a certain period of time.
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: manuel on August 05, 2008, 07:18:47 am
I have that book...  :D ... somewhere...  :-[
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: UglyJoe on August 06, 2008, 05:11:47 am
Namco, Taito, and Koei seem to be the main ones to release hard cases.  These are the first ones that I can see that use them for each respective company:

Dragon Slayer IV is first NAMCOT 1987
Bakushou! Jinseigekijou! Taito 1989
Nobunaga no Yabou Zenkokuban Koei 1988

There are more, but I have to go get ready for work.
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: satoshi_matrix on August 06, 2008, 03:03:09 pm
Gjegs, you could do what I did and replace those Namcot cases with UMCs - you can find more info here: http://www.famicomworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=2425.0
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: odber on August 30, 2010, 01:14:53 pm
My cousin who recently got into seriously collecting video games bought the first Megami Tensei and I was awed by the sight of the black plastic case. I needed to find more of these! So I get the info somewhere that Namco is the only one that had them made (apparently others had them made too...). Below a list of all the Namco ones (that I could find) and here's a link to pictures of all of them:

http://odbeari.1g.fi/kuvat/pelit/Famicom%20hard%20box/Namco/

I'm not sure what's the case with some of these as with Galaga there's a normal box AND the hard box :/ , at least the auction site said that it was a "resale version". I'll go through the Taito and Koei games next to see which ones had the hard box.

Babel no Tou / Babel
Battle City
Battle Fleet
Burger Time
*Chibi Maruko-Chan: Uki Uki Shopping
Choujikuu Yousai Macross
*Devil Man
*Dig Dug
Dig Dug II
*Digital Devil Monogatari: Megami Tensei
*Digital Devil Monogatari: Megami Tensei II
*Dragon Slayer IV
*Dokuganryuu Masamune
*Dragon Buster
*Dragon Buster II: Yami no Fuin
*Dragon Ninja
*Dragon Spirit: Aratanaru Densetsu
*Dream Master
*Erika to Satoru no Yume Bouken
*Family Boxing
*Family Circuit
*Family Circuit '91
*Family Jockey
*Family Mahjong
*Family Mahjong II: Shanghai heno Michi
*Family Pinball
*Family Tennis
*Famista '89
*Famista '90
*Famista '91
*Famista '92
*Famista '93
*Famista '94
*Final Lap
*Galaga
Galaxian
Genpei Toumaden
*Hayauchi Super Igo
*Heisei tensai Bakabon
*Hydlide 3: Yami karano Houmonsha
*Jikuyuden Debias
Juvei Quest
*Kai no Bouken: The Quest of Ki
Kaijuu Monogatari
*Karnov
*Kerunaguru
*King of Kings
*La Salle Ishii no Child's Quest
*Lupin the 3rd: Pandora no Isan
Mappy
*Mappy Kids
*Mappy-Land
*Metro-Cross
*Mindseeker
*Namco Classic
*Namco Classic II
*Namco Mahjong III: Mahjong Tengoku
Pac-Land
Pac-Man
*Pro Yakyu Family Stadium
*Pro Yakyu Family Stadium '87
*Pro Yakyu Family Stadium '88: Nendoban
*Pro Yakyu Family Stadium '89: Kaimakuban
*Quinty
*Rolling Thunder
*Sangokushi II: Haou no Tairiku
*Sangokushi: Nakahara no Hasha
*Sanma no Meitantei
Shell Saurs Story
*Side Pocket
Sky Kid
*Splatterhouse: Wanpaku Graffiti
Star Luster
*Star Wars
Super Chinese
*Super Xevious
Tag Team Pro Wrestling
*Top Striker
Tower of Druaga, The
Valkyrie no Bouken: Toki no Kagi Densetsu
*Wagyan Land
*Wagyan Land 2
*Wagyan Land 3
Warpman
Xevious
*Youkai Douchuki
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: odber on September 09, 2010, 10:21:21 am
And here are the TAITO ones, there even was one RED (http://odbeari.1g.fi/kuvat/pelit/Famicom%20hard%20box/TAITO/Fudou+Myououden.jpg) case among these. There were a few that I couldn't find any pictures of. Pictures of each case can be found here: http://odbeari.1g.fi/kuvat/pelit/Famicom%20hard%20box/TAITO/

edit: only taito basketball missing confirmation


*Akira
Arkanoid
Arkanoid II
Aso Maze
*Bakushou!! Jinsei Gekijou
*Bakushou!! Jinsei Gekijou 2
*Bakushou!! Jinsei Gekijou 3
Bubble Bobble
*Bubble Bobble 2
Burai Fighter
*Captain Saver / Power Blazer
Chack'n Pop
Chukadaisen
*Don Doko Don
Don Doko Don 2
Elevator Action
Flintstones: The Rescue of Dino & Hoppy, The
*Flipull: An Exciting Cube Game
Front Line
*Fudou Myououden (red case)
*Golf-kko Open
Gyrodyne
Halley Wars
*Insector X
*Jetsons: Cogswell's Caper, The
Ju Ju Densetsu
Kick and Run
Kiki Kaikai: Dotou Hen
*Kyonshiizu 2
*Kyuukyoku Harikiri Koushien
*Kyuukyoku Harikiri Stadium
*Kyuukyoku Harikiri Stadium '88
*Kyuukyoku Harikiri Stadium III
*Kyuukyoku Harikiri Stadium: Heisei Gannen Han
Kyuukyoku Tiger
Legend of Kage, The
Lickle: Seirei Densetsu
*Minelvaton Saga
*Mirai Shinwa Jarvas ++
*Musashi no Ken: Tadaima Shugyou Chuu
Ninja Cop Saizou
*Operation Wolf
*Power Blazer
Rainbow Islands
Replicart
*SD Keiji Brader
Sky Destroyer
Space Invaders
(?)Taito Basketball
Taito Chase H.Q.
*Taito Grand Prix: Eikou heno License
Takeshi no Chousenjou
*Takeshi no Sengoku Fuunji
Tetra Star: The Frontier
Wanpaku Cookun no Gourmet World
Wardner no Mori
Yamamura Misa Suspense Kyoto Ryu no Misshitsu satsujinjiken
*Yamamura Misa Suspense Kyoto Ryu no Tera Satsujinjiken
Yu Maze
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: odber on January 10, 2011, 05:17:43 pm
Been a while since I continued this. Here's a list of all the Koei ones. I was pleasently surprised that all of them have plastic cases. I also went back to the previous list and now only Taito Basketball is missing confirmation. If  any other companies have used these cases let me know.

pictures: http://odbeari.1g.fi/kuvat/pelit/Famicom+hard+box/Koei/


*Aoki Okami to Shiroki Ojika: Genchouhishi
*Aoki Okami to Shiroki Ojika: Genghis Khan
*Daikoukaijidai
*Ishin no Arashi
*L'Empereur
*Mahjong Taikai
*Nobunaga no Yabou: Bushou Fuunroku
*Nobunaga no Yabou: Sengoku Gunyuden
*Nobunaga no Yabou: Zenkokuban
*Royal Blood
*Sangokushi
*Sangokushi II
*Suikoden: Tenmei no Chikai
*Top Management
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: jpx72 on January 10, 2011, 11:46:22 pm
Hehe got some of those too
(http://jpx72.detailne.sk/upload/mmc5.jpg)
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: manuel on January 11, 2011, 12:10:41 am
And soon you'll have 2 more.  :D
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: jpx72 on January 11, 2011, 02:51:00 am
Yes, thanks for the helping hand Manuel! I'm collecting the MMC5 carts and those would be the last two out of KOEI ones.
Those KOEI cases are really nice, japanese style - opening from the other side than the rest of the world is probably used to, the only flaw is in the lower right corner where the plastic is cut-pulled inside to hold the manual so the paper insert is folding a bit over there.
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: tappybot on January 11, 2011, 05:58:46 am
These games are the ancient precursors to games like Romance of the Three Kingdoms, and Dynasty Warriors.  Actually, I think one of those pictured is a Romance of the Three Kingdoms.

While I'd be dreadfully bored by such games, I've picked up a few for 50yen at GEO, and I must say, I'm quite impressed by the size of the instruction booklets.. Some of them even come with a cloth like map. 

And the case is nice.
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: jpx72 on January 11, 2011, 01:01:42 pm
Of course it's Romance of the Three Kingdoms, most of the KOEI games are built upon stories from chinese or japanese historic novels.  The four greatest chinese novels were the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Journey to the West, Water Margin and Dream of the Red Chamber. There's also Bandit Kings of Ancient China (from the Water Margin novel) and from japan there's the  Nobunaga's Ambition ( about the ancient unification of Japan regions).
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: senseiman on January 11, 2011, 05:00:12 pm
I hate to voice a contrary opinion, but those black plastic cases are my least favorite Famicom game case.  I truly can't stand them. 

The cardboard boxes just seem way nicer to me, especially the small ones that the earlier Namco games (Skykid, Burger Time, etc) came in.  When I see those I think "I WANT....must have....can't resist urge to purchase....too cool....". 

When I see the later black plastic cases I think more "What are these?  Small Mega Drive boxes?  No thanks."

I only have one of the black boxes, for my copy of Akira.  It just messes up the whole look of my small CIB collection.  Nice row of really retro-looking cardboard.....and then Akira. 

To each his own though!  :)

Oh, and Tappybot:  50 yen games at GEO!  High five!  ;D
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: manuel on January 11, 2011, 05:19:24 pm
Damn, my GEO doesn't have Famicom games any more.  :'(
But I got some 30 Yen games a while back... can I high five, too?  :D
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: tappybot on January 11, 2011, 07:42:16 pm
High Fives for everyone!  :)

My GEO has since extinguished it's retro section, which makes me sad..  But don't think it's the end... A friend alerted me, maybe last month, to a GEO near his house that had recently got a new shipment of retro games.... Of course, much of it was crap, but there were some decent, and dare I say, great games in there for 50yen. Wahoo! I got a never before seen (by my eyes) Famicom game which I think is called 'Prince Banana'.

Just think, they have to send those retro games somewhere...

senseiman, it's the strength and durability of the black cases that appeal to me.  The KOEI ones are pretty big..  Do you like the Namcot cases?


Oh, while I'm thinking of it, I have to say, I really love that cardboard boxes for retro games here DON'T have slits in the flaps.  For some reason, every modern cardboard box product has slits in the flaps, which makes it so you can't actually open the box without crunching or bending the cardboard flap.  These old Famicom/Super Famicom/Gameboy, etc, boxes open so smoothly!

Curse every manufacturer who puts SLITS in the FLAPS.
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: senseiman on January 11, 2011, 10:07:13 pm
Manuel:  High five!!!  30 yen game is a snap!

tappybot:  Yeah, the plastic ones are definitely more durable.  My objection to them (namcot ones too) are purely aesthetic.  I like the look of the cardboard ones way better.

About GEO, I've been semi-tracking the slow demise of their Famicom (and general retro game) section at my local shops here in Fukuoka for the past year on my blog.  If you were in the right time at the right place you could score some amazing bargains.  About a year ago they marked everything down 50%.  There were some decent deals then (I got Burger Time during that phase of the sale) but nothing dramatically cheap.

Then in June was when the real rush hit.  Everything for 100 yen.  They still had tons of "good" games then that you could score but literally within about 3 days everything good was gone.  I know because I went to EVERY GEO in Fukuoka (think they have 7 or 8, I forget) during that 3 day period and got tons of stuff.  I picked up Super Contra, Mike Tyson's Punch Out and a bunch of other games were originally priced in the 2,000-3,000 yen range then.  Made a post about one of my outings here:

http://famicomblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/more-than-half-way-there-now.html

Then in the fall they marked everything down to 50 yen, but there wasn' t much left by then.  I did a post a couple months surveying the selection at one of my local ones then:

http://famicomblog.blogspot.com/2010/11/fukuoka-famicom-shops-ii-decline-and.html

Glad to hear that they still get some stuff in, though I imagine they must be just clearing out old stock from a warehouse or something.  The ones in Fukuoka are pretty much all "dead", unless you are looking for Maj-jong or Pachinko games!
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: jpx72 on January 11, 2011, 10:16:42 pm
QuoteI know because I went to EVERY GEO in Fukuoka

Yeah, that's exactly what I would do if I were you or if I live in Japan :D
Anyway, you wrote a pretty big and informative blog topic about it - good reading and great photos !
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: tappybot on January 12, 2011, 03:39:47 am
Ooooh man, Super C for 100 yen.   Oh geez, I'm so jealous.  I noticed this stuff all too late and basically picked from left overs at GEOs and what appears to be a sister company, Media Pocket (same stickers and promotional materials).  Actually, I came to Japan in July, so I was late from the get go.

Yeah, that shipment from the restocked GEO could have been the remaining stash of a number of other GEOs, or some forgotten stock.


And I must agree, those stickers come off so easily....  and Hard Off... well, let's just say they live up to their name.  Ugh.  I want to know who the jerk is who puts the price right on the front sticker of the cartridge.
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: senseiman on January 12, 2011, 04:42:46 pm
Thanks, jpx72!

tappybot - oh you just missed out by a hair then!  It was sweet,  the first days I was buying games like 20 at a time.  Filled up huge swaths of my want-list without hurting the wallet too much.

Yeah, those Hard-Off stickers suck (live up to their name - ha!).  I don't really go there anymore, partially thanks to the dreaded "half-hour of slowly and delicately trying to peel bits of price sticker off without damaging the label" sessions that inevitably follow a purchase there.

All part of the fun of collecting I guess  :D
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: manuel on January 12, 2011, 05:14:46 pm
Same problem with many games at Hard Off here in Hiroshima, too...
Maybe this is a company policy or something? Damn idiots. >:(
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: UglyJoe on January 12, 2011, 06:11:04 pm
Gamestop used to do that when they sold used NES games.  You have this massive chunk of gray plastic and you decide the best place to slap a sticker is on top of the other sticker ::)
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: senseiman on January 12, 2011, 07:56:22 pm
Yeah, it would be so easy to just put the sticker on the plastic instead of the label, wouldn't it? 

One other thing I've noticed (getting a bit off topic here I suppose, sorry about that) is that some used game stores replace the back labels of Famicom carts with labels of their own.  I actually quite like some of these as they tell you something about the cart's history.  I've never actually been to a store that did this but a fair number of my carts have had this done to them at an earlier "cycle" in their lives.  I put a photo of some of the replaced back labels in this post here:

http://famicomblog.blogspot.com/2011/01/famicom-cart-condition-why-bad-is-good.html
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: UglyJoe on January 12, 2011, 08:29:08 pm
Nice.  I have a cart with a Topboy sticker on the back.  Their mascot looks like an Akira Toriyama knock-off ;D
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: tappybot on January 13, 2011, 03:22:03 am
Senseiman, I try to buy them in as pristine condition as possible, but you have an interesting point.

Actually, once at Hard-off, I noticed several of the Gameboy games in the junk section I was choosing all had the same name written on the back of the cart...  When I picked up several, I eventually noticed how much I liked his tastes, and suddenly I didn't mind so much that the writing was there... not only that, but I started skimming through the whole bin for any game with his name written on it.  If it was part of Yokoyama's collection, then I know it's a gonna be good.  :D

Some of those stickers that cover the entire back of the cartridge are obnoxious though... And they really get around..  I took a visit to Osaka over the holiday and saw some of the same stickers on the backs of cartridges I often see in Nagoya.
I actually have a few cartridges with that Green Star sticker on them, as pictured on your blog.  I got them off, though they were much more troublesome than they first appeared.

Well thank you for your point of view on the matter.  I'll keep that in mind in my future purchases :)

Probably worse than writing or stray stickers are smoke stains and sun fading.  I'm not a fan of that at all.
Title: Re: Black plastic cases
Post by: senseiman on January 13, 2011, 04:17:27 pm
Yeah, I'm more or less the same.  I usually go for the better condition carts (if there is a choice) but I'm happy to get one with a bit of wear - so long as it doesn't make the cart look bad (like torn labels, sun fading, etc).

Interesting story about the "Yokoyama collection"!  Sometimes I think about writing my name on all my carts too just so future generations will know that at one point I owned them.  I did write my name on the back of my copies of "Spelunker" and "Sqoon", which have an actual space on the back where you are supposed to write your name. 

I don't mind the big back labels, they kind of interest me.

They obviously date from a time before people viewed Famicom games as a collectible item, otherwise the shops wouldn't have put them on.  Some of these labels might date back all the way to the Famicom's original lifespan (ie when they were still releasing games for it).  So I view them as a legitimate part of Famicom history and not some form of damage.

None of them seem to be in business anymore (I did a google search for the names of the three in my blog post and you get nothing - my 2 day old blog post is the top result).  Also no retro game shop that I go to now (and I go to a lot) put that type of label on. 

They are pretty redundant though.  I mean, most of them repeat the same type of information that was on the original label in the first place.  Some of them are obviously there to advertise the store, but some don't have any indication of what store they came from.