I am stating this, not asking it.
It started in my speech class, when our teacher explained to us gender roles & how it gets so confusing in America now.
He referenced TV shows that clichéd the moronic husband/father, like Everyone Loves Raymond, Unhappily Ever After, & The Simpsons
Now I've come across this article from Cosmo "reprinted" on MSN:
http://lifestyle.msn.com/relationships/articlecosmo.aspx?cp-documentid=17218149>1=32023
Come on, guys! Does that sound like any of you?! Who does this? The article states:
Okay, besides the three guys on earth who come up with creative dinner ideas and adorable trips in advance
I've been around imprudent Marines who talk insensitively about the other gender, & even they would turn around & become gentlemen, reserving a fancy restaurant, talking sweet to their spouse (hypocrites?)
I think the opposite may be true: there are only 3 guys on earth who do these bad things, & since they date around so much we probably hear so much about them.
What do you think?
I've never done any of that, I guess that's why I've never had a "valentine".
That's just a stupid article.
Not many men are that weird to do something like that.
I bet that some feminazi wrote that article.
Yes damn that article got me depressed >:(
TV shows do it, magazines do it, your employer does it, modern psycholigists do it. Your talk shows do it. Mainstream media does it big time.
If you want to hear more from someone who is far more eloquent than I am, check out Stefbot, or Stefan Molyneaux at freedomainradio. He has a couple podcasts about anti-masculinity that seems prevalent in todays societies.
It goes pretty deep, from social programing, to biological factors, and how it has been manipulated to make men out to be not much more than simple sperm donors. Never mind what broken families, and people not upholding responsibilities as parents do to the social structure as a whole. Of course, people are supposed to be "liberated" and "independent" and "sensitive" until there are no more real men left. So what if we have strong opinions, we aren't closed minded (we just stand up for what we believe in). So what if men have a more violent nature, evolution made us that way for a reason...we're not mindless brutes (we're protectors, willing to defend our own). So what if we are a little more emotionally distanced, we're not unfeeling, or insensitive (we WERE the hunters, this protects us mentally). Nature made us that way for a reason, respect it, embrace it, and understand that the differences in gender, thought patterns, and behavior patterns are essential, and serve a function.. they are important, and essential.
Rant over. I couldn't help but chime in. Hope I didn't torque anyone off too badly.
There's also this attitude like every guy is assumed to be a sex offender until he proves otherwise. I think I remember Michael Chrichton's Discolsure going into this pretty well. It's actually happened to me. I remember when I was in high school, I was walking to work. A little girl was on her bike, and her front wheel slipped off the curb. I reflexively reached over and caught her before she fell into the street. When I look up, her mother is glaring at me like I was a child molester. I've never caught such an evil eye in my life. It's like "Fine, next time I'll let your kid fall into the street and watch her head get squished like a grape." Damn.
Maybe I should assume every girl I date from now on is a slut unless proven otherwise (which would be kind of hard to prove).
Oh no, if you did that you'd be a pig!
That's called the double standard...
for some reason everyone but the honest guy gets to use it!
Nice guys finish last :-\
That's often true unfortunately. :-\
Men and women are very much the same. There are only a few differences here and there, and even then they're just tendencies, not clear-cut rules.
If you think otherwise you're just subscribing to society's prepackaged gender roles that only serve to demean and objectify human beings... shoggoth80.
"If you think otherwise you're just subscribing to society's prepackaged gender roles that only serve to demean and objectify human beings... shoggoth80."
Hardly so, I am subscribing to natural tendencies. We DO think differently, our brains DO develop differently. That is scientific FACT.
I am basing some of my statements off of more primal/evolutionary behavior... not entirely socially learned behavior.
That nature vs. nurture argument is ages old. I imagine that it is more a bit of column a, and a bit of column b.
Of course, a lot of the way people act/react are socially learned behaviors, though there are many behaviors that were the norm 50-60 years ago, that are no longer the norm, and even frowned upon. I do not believe that this demonstrates a societal growth, or that we have even somehow become more civilized. I think that people have become more timid in some aspects, especially in regard to stepping up, and saying something in circumstances where one should be morally obligated to do so. I have intervened in a couple cases of harassment against female acquaintances of mine, where others would have just looked the other way, and pretended that nothing was going on. Someone trained to be timid, is someone trained to be controlled.
I agree with that. Differences in the development of male and female minds is observable, even measurable to an extent. The main difference is in which hemisphere tends to become stronger. In men, the left hemisphere tends to be more dominant, while in women it's the right hemisphere. This causes men to tend to be very rational and good with logical systems. Men tend deal with their world according to the cold, hard, observable facts and clearly definable relationships (A leads to B leads to C). Women tend to be more in tune with feelings (theirs and those of others), and good at the social aspects of life and dealing with other people. Women tend to make decisions with more influence of their feelings. They will also consider other people and the social consequences of their actions more.
Now, given that, you can't make blanket statements like "men are more rational than women". If you graph it out so that the X axis is the strength of a given trait, and the Y axis is the number of people at a given value, what you get is two overlapping bell graphs. On the "rationality" chart, the graph for the male population would be slightly to the right of the female one, but there's still a lot of overlap. There's still a good chance that a random woman would be more rational than a random man.
"This causes men to tend to be very rational and good with logical systems. Men tend deal with their world according to the cold, hard, observable facts and clearly definable relationships (A leads to B leads to C). Women tend to be more in tune with feelings (theirs and those of others), and good at the social aspects of life and dealing with other people. Women tend to make decisions with more influence of their feelings."
Agreed. These differences are necessary. I think of it more like two halves of a whole in regards to the interpersonal social structure, and even perhaps social structure on a larger level. Both are needed to work smoothly, and to garner the most benefits from them.
Here's another one:
http://lifestyle.msn.com/relationships/articlecosmomatch.aspx?cp-documentid=17846418>1=32023
And I remember seeing this one before.
Seriously, why the generalizations? Has someone surveyed these kind of people to get these results? Someone in Cosmo must be having bad experiences. :-\