Famicom World

I'm sure this will be hard for everybody who has experienced all of these so believe me when I say I know how hard it is to narrow it down... but let's see if we can.

I can't decide between NES and SNES, both of them mean so much to me.

Strangely enough, I had to vote SUPER FAMICOM
even though I have more games on the AV Fami
in my collection.  As far as Nintendo systems go
NCL got everything right with the SFC/SNES, and
in my opinion, I don't think they've ever done it right
since... same thing with SEGA and their Mega Drive.

SUPER FAMICOM all the way on this one.

/\ I can only think of about 4 must own SNES games (Chrono Trigger perhaps being the top SNES game IMO), and could rattle off over 100 NES games that I consider must own without even having to think, so Famicom easily gets my vote.  

The NES/Famicom is by far the best console ever, from any company.

The Famicom is my fav and always will be. It was the pioneer and had an amazing library!

Super Famicom for me.

famicom for sure

SFC.......................hands down, everything since has been a let down >:(
The GC had it's moments............but the N64 and Wii are just unbelievably poor!

This was indeed a tough call.
There are many good games for the NES/Famicom, and many for the SNES/SFC....
though I could think of more titiles for the NES/Famicom than the SNES/SFC. There are a handfulf of games that I recommend for the SNES, but more for the NES. The NES/Famicom has the larger library of the two as well... though the SNES has more RPG games in it at the moment.

The Gamecube was fun, but I cannot think of too many that are MUST plays that you can't get elsewhere. Eternal Darkness, and the RE remake are pretty sweet. Zelda of course. Metroid Prime is alright. I don't have the largest cube, or N64 library, so perhaps my vote is skewed a bit more than it would be otherwise?

One piece of info is wrong in your post.
The SFC has more games than the Famicom (around 200 more).

the N64 :D

Grr..
N64 was the first video game system I played..
GCN holds memories of Saturday mornings playing Luigi's Mansion (first game I got) with my stepbrother..and eating glazed donuts..
Famicom...is....awesome...

I CAN'T DECIDE!!!

But definitely not the SFC or Wii

Quote from: nintendodork on March 09, 2009, 03:17:31 pm

N64 was the first video game system I played..

Oh...wow.  This had me look at your age.  Didn't think you were 13.  I really don't know how I would view the NES/Famicom if I didn't get one when I was 5 (still have the exact same system with no problems (though it could use a new 72 pin as it only works with Game Genie attached). 

Well, I played the NES when I was young(er).  My brother is 27 as of today ;D So he and I played the NES soon after I got the N64.  I remember watching him play the NES before the N64 came out, but I never played it until I was 4 or 5.  So I pretty much alternated from that point . 

Then, when I was about 9 or 10, I realized Japan had something way better...

I wanted it.

even though this is Famicom World, I've always been more of a Super Famicom guy. The SNES had so many great games, fantastic graphics, a great controller, man everything came together on it. I love the SNES so much that if there were SNES versions of multiplatform games that come out for every console, I'd buy the SNES versions.

Mmm........Fallout 3 SNES in mode 7  ;)

Definitely Sufami/SNES. While I love the fact that the NES/Fami has a bunch of games outside of my preferred genre that I love playing, the SNES has the larger RPG library and I would say the BETTER RPG library, so I'm gonna have to go w/ that. It was a tough call tho. The N64, GC and Wii aren't fit to sweep up after either of those, tho. Shame really.

Super Famicom.
Zelda: ALttP, SMW, F-Zero, DKC 1 and 2, Star Fox, SimCity, Super Mario Kart, Tetris Attack, Super Mario RPG.
It was such an excellent expansion on the ideas of the original Famicom.
N64 had a few marvellous games but was very technologically lacking (textures, RAM, media, etc.) and with a weak controller design.
GC had very few great games- Melee and Viewtiful Joe, as I never liked Wind Waker much- and never had its average hardware potential exploited.
Wii is being misused and misdeveloped for as something of a toy, rather than a video game system. It has Brawl, Twilight Princess, Mario Kart, Galaxy, WarioWare, Virtual Console, and Twilight Hack going for it, however. If we see some more 1st and 3rd party support (*coughzeldawiicoughdraculaxchinorondocough*), it'll be on par with the original Famicom.

Edit: I meant "actual hardware potential"

I decided to vote for N64..since it was my first system.  And I spent countless hours with Mario Kart 64, SM64, Hey You!  Pikachu!, SSB, and others.

I voted Famicom, but I love the SFC just as much. The good GC, Wii and 64 games are like finding diamonds in a giant mound of poo. I'd rather play a system with a ton of classics.

The N64 was the first console that I actually owned (not my parents), so I found it to be a great console growing up... except I bought it late so I got it with Pokemon Stadium.

A good friend of mine who is also a big nintendo fan introduced me to the SNES and it was amazing, especially Earthbound. This game along with the other great games is the reason why I picked the SFC. I wish I was born earlier so I could literally grow up with Nintendo.

For those of you who have, isn't the feeling awesome to say that you grew up Nintendo from the very beginning (in video games, not playing cards).

None of us are alive today who grew up with Hanafuda Nintendo :P

Funny, but I'm sure there is someone on the forums who has been with Nintendo as a child from the Famicom/NES days that can confirm what I previously said.

I was born in '79 and got my NES in 1985, so I grew up with Nintendo. My original NES still works, although the original ac adapter gave out a few years ago.

There are quite a few on the forums...my brother being one of them ;D (Not on the forums, but you get the idea)

I wish I was one of them

ericj, thank you for responding. Now I gotta know, how does it feel to say that you grew up with the Nintendo even during its famicom days.

I think it's awesome that I can say that. 

It's pretty amazing to discover so many great games I never knew about while growing up thanks to the internet. Since I grew up in Pennsylvania in a pretty rural area, I never even heard of the Famicom. In fact, it was less than two years ago that I even heard of it.

I think it's great that so many younger people like older systems and games. I remember how many of my peers were quick to jump on new gaming systems as they came out and subsequently stop playing the older systems. It seems like many of them have come back around to playing the older systems as they got jobs and were able to buy all of the stuff mom and dad wouldn't pay the big bucks for back in the day...things like the PowerGlove and ROB come immediately to mind.

I still enjoy seeing old advertisements and commercials from back in the day and remember when they were in the stores and on TV. It doesn't feel like almost 25 years ago, but I guess it was!  :P

I grew up with nes and game & watches. Then got snes and genny and so on and so on, hahaha. Ya, I'm a game nerd!

Don't be ashamed of it, I challenge you to find someone here to hates games.

I like them all.  However, I have fond childhood memories of playing N64.  I'm not going to vote.

Manuel,
If you mean in my post....
read that as :
"I personally have more games for the NES/Famicom than the SFC...but I have more RPGS for the SNES/SFC."

/\    Well, I think the SNES has less games than NES, but I have no idea about SFC in comparison to Famicom.   

as biased as it is posting this sort of topic on a famicom forum.  I'm saying the super famicom.  It's like the famicom with a supercharger and nitrous system installed.

I don't think it is extremely biased because I am fairly positive that people that are fans of the Famicom are fans of the other Nintendo products.

Finally went with the SNES/SFC. Both the FC and the SFC mean a lot to me, but I owe a great part of my childhood to our 16-bit friend :).

My God, how the Wii is not far and above these is beyond me, considering it can play ALL the titles of these systems on it's own!

PLUS all the wiiware, original wii games and now even gamecube remixes.

Saying that, I think the styling of the super famicom is far andf above my favourite, that ugly American SNES is awful, in England we were lucky enough to get the Super Famicom casing (just rebadged as a Super Nintendo and albeit @ 50hz..) !

I also think DS and gameboy should be on this list, handhelds are consoles all the same.

The reason I left handhelds alone was because of this fundamental difference.

Consoles are mandatory that you play at home or a friends house; you can't really play with them out in the open. They rely on elextricity and are ment to be played at home.

Handhelds can be played anywhere since they rely on battery power and are meant to be portable and fit in your pocket.

And that is a difference in real terms how exactly??...

It's actually obvious if you could read and think a little bit about my last post. Handhelds can fit in your pocket, consoles cannot.

Handhelds just aren't consoles, even Nintendo recognizes this. If you have ever seen an E3 video of the past couple of years of either Sony or Nintendo, they split it into two parts. A portion is dedicated to talking about handhelds and they address it as handhelds. Another portion is dedicated to talking about consoles and they address it as consoles.

If you wish to do a poll about a favorite Nintendo handheld, be my guest. I'm sure you know what would be on the poll.

Rob, don't worry I can read hehe, but I appreciate that may have seemed a little rude of me.  Yes I've thought about and I still fail to see the difference.  OK, they're smaller, take batteries and are portable but what real difference does that make to anything?  Nothing really.

Nintendo DOES count them as consoles (when I've spoken to them, certainly), the reason they are kept seperate at retail and trade events is because the differences actually have a large impact on the markets for both.  They're both consoles but have different market patterns for many reasons I won't go into.  That obviously affects the way you have to communicate them to consumers and industry people in sales, marketing etc.


What I meant originally was, it doesn't really make any differnces in terms of  "I liked this system because" which is how people will arrive at this decision.  If I play my DS on my own, strictly at home (which I do, sad I know) then it actually lumps it into the same category even by your spec.

I just don't see how you can knock those handhelds off the list when they're just as valid.  It's like the difference between 2D systems and 3D, it doesn't mean we treat those systems any differnet in terms of which ones we liked and which we didn't..

The reason they call them 'handhelds' and 'consoles' at those events is just to keep it simple, sounds better than 'portables' and 'standing consoles'.  Handhelds are still consoles by definition (as opposed to computers) they're just a different type of console.  The only real difference being that the sound and display and controls are in one contained unit, it doesn't alter how we perceive the games we play on them, just where we play them sometimes and for how long.

Look, I get what you're saying but when you really think about it, people that play video games play both portables and home consoles. Therefore, I would think they would have their own favorite for both "categories". Take me for example, I play most Nintendo consoles and I have a favorite for each, SNES and Gameboy.

I would make a list of the portable series, but if you think about it, there isn't much in comparison to their console series. You have the gameboy, a remade gameboy pocket (doesn't really count since you still play gameboy games), gameboy color, Gameboy Advance and the SP, then the DS.

Looking at the face of each "era" of these, there's four: gameboy, color, advance, and ds. But if I were making the list, I would clump gameboy and gameboy color together since they are technically the same system, just with the addition of color. Basic gameplay and graphics are the same (with the exception of color). So it would be three categories.

If I do make a list, I am fairly certain that it will be a tie between the gameboy and the DS. DS would be first because of the things that you can do with it. WIfi, plays ds and gba games, dual screen, etc. Gameboy would be first becuse it was how a lot of people were shown tetris if they never got the nes cartridge.

I don't include them on this list because I don't see why they should. I might not make another list for the handheld because it is obvious who will win. This poll was actually surprising to me, I didn't think the SFC would be #1 at all.

I see what you mean,  after making a big point, it's a bit of an obvious winner :)  gotta be DS for sure.  Though I prefer the GBA ;)

I'm actually glad to see that everyone likes the 16-bit stuff more, to me it represents the pinnacle of 2 day gaming, something that got it's feet firmly grounded in 8-bit.  I had a few systems before that and it all seemed in lots of different directions to me but as soon as NES and SMS arrived there was a clear platform and games started to appear on more of a level than they did in the early days before that - specs kept changing every 6 months !

Quote from: L___E___T on March 11, 2009, 08:53:25 am


..everyone likes the 16-bit stuff more...

???  Not everyone...  And I can't stand the dual screen games, but the system is fine for playing GBA stuff, if only for the Castlevania games. 

I'm stuck between the Super Nintendo and the Nintendo 64... can I say both? I'm saying both!

Sorry, I meant in general, so obviously everyone is the wrong word there, think 'most' :)

I like the dual screens when it's used well (like in hotel dusk 215, castlevanias etc) but I don't like having to play most games with a toothpick, buttons suited me fine!!

/\ according to the poll, "most" have preferred 8-bit thus far...  :P (over 16-bit)

bleh!   not when we first mentioned!! :)

Patman, just take some time and relect on both of them, and then pick one. It was hard for a lot of us I'm sure that participated in this poll.

I voted Famicom!

LONG LIVE 8-BIT!!!!

The 8-BIT FAMICOM regins supreme in most cases, but I believe (like I voted and stated earlier) that the SFC just went beyond the beyond in terms of "Bad Assery" is all.  Thus I'm a bit surprised to see the 8-Bit older brother to the Super Fami win over (slightly) .

Quote from: L___E___T on March 11, 2009, 06:21:07 am
My God, how the Wii is not far and above these is beyond me, considering it can play ALL the titles of these systems on it's own!

PLUS all the wiiware, original wii games and now even gamecube remixes.

Saying that, I think the styling of the super famicom is far andf above my favourite, that ugly American SNES is awful, in England we were lucky enough to get the Super Famicom casing (just rebadged as a Super Nintendo and albeit @ 50hz..) !

I also think DS and gameboy should be on this list, handhelds are consoles all the same.

But emulation isn't original hardware.  This is a poll for systems and games for those systems.  Not downloadable or emulated stuff...that would make it unfair, since none of the others can do that due to technology limitations.

Also, where would the Virtual Boy stand on this? :P  It has an AC adapter, but it can also be played with batteries...and in the car...but it can't fit in your pocket.
No witty comments please ;)

I voted for the N64 even though I really like them all...except for the gamecube. Sorry, but that has to be one of the worst consoles Nintendo has ever released. Yes, there are some good games like Zelda WindWaker and Super Smash Bros. Melee, but most of the other games for it sucked. Nintendo made a mistake of not making enough of their own games for the console and too many random 3rd party games were made and released for it. It didn't have a DVD player like the PS2 and Xbox did, and only played the games and nothing else. And most of the games made for it were a lot shorter than the old N64 games which would take weeks, even months to complete.

Quote from: keiffer01 on March 11, 2009, 02:07:07 pmIt didn't have a DVD player like the PS2 and Xbox did, and only played the games and nothing else.

I don't see that as a bad thing. It's like including a clock in almost every appliance under the sun. If it doesn't need timekeeping to work correctly, I don't see the point. If I want to watch a DVD, I'll use a DVD player.

Quote from: keiffer01 on March 11, 2009, 02:07:07 pm
It didn't have a DVD player like the PS2 and Xbox did, and only played the games and nothing else.

Au, contraire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panasonic_Q

But that's not a Nintendo GameCube.

...and you said 'no witty comments please' ::)

It's licensed by Nintendo, it looks like a Gamecube, and it plays Gamecube games...

When I said witty comments, I meant something like "The FDS uses batteries, but it isn't portable either."

Also, I've gotta pipe up here here and disagree with dork on this 'original hardware' comment - what's so great about original hardware anyway?  If you look at the N64 titles on the wii virtual console, they're way better than the counterpart originals.  If you look at the super mario collection on SFC (aka super mario all stars in west) then that, apart from SMB1 and lost levels is way nicer.  A definite improvement.

You wouldn't insist on watching an 80s movie on a crap tv, so what's the big deal?  I'm especially confused considering some are too young to get actual nostalgia anyway, so even playing on the old controllers is debatable.  Add in that alot of people grant the dog bone the best controller, which is basicaly an SFC controller minus 4 buttons.

To say it's 'not fair' is irrelevant, just as it's 'not fair' to compare 2D to 3D, or even 8-bit to 16-bit.  In today's day and age emulation is top notch and very, very accurate (I'd even say the emulation scene find improvements) so I strongly disagree with this.  The megaman games' devs would have turned sprite flicker off if they could, it's simply a visual flaw as a result of limitations, their orginal intention was to negate it (read interviews with Keiji!).

If you're doing a poll on actual games, make it a poll about games on each respective format. To which I say the NES reigns supreme.  If it's systems in general then the Wii (IMO), if it's "which has my 'affection' it would be (for me) the Super Famicom - each is different.

QuoteAlso, where would the Virtual Boy stand on this?

On it's stand.

QuoteIt has an AC adapter, but it can also be played with batteries...and in the car...but it can't fit in your pocket.

If you try playing VB in the car, the display will break.  The Virtual Boy's got moving parts inside, you know.

QuoteNo witty comments please

T-O-O-B-A-D

Quote from: L___E___T on March 11, 2009, 03:29:50 pm
If you look at the N64 titles on the wii virtual console, they're way better than the counterpart originals.


You wouldn't insist on watching an 80s movie on a crap tv, so what's the big deal?  I'm especially confused considering some are too young to get actual nostalgia anyway, so even playing on the old controllers is debatable.  Add in that alot of people grant the dog bone the best controller, which is basicaly an SFC controller minus 4 buttons.

How are N64 titles better on the Wii?  As far as I've seen, they're the same...plus, it's not original hardware


It's a little different with TVs and movies, because you are not apart of it in any way, other than watching it.  With a game, you are inputting commands that affect the outcome.  It's much better on original hardware because it lets you know that this was how it was played back in the day.

I am too young to experience nostalgia on the NES/SNES, but I know enough about the consoles that makes me want to play the games on the original hardware because the controllers are so much different, I'll give an exception to the SFC because of the Wii's classic controller design.  Playing a NES game on the Wii is just fucking weird.  I've been playing the NES since I've had my N64, which has been a big portion of my life; so now that I'm so used to the NES controller, it feels weird playing it with a different controller, and I do worse on it.  You expect a certain shape of a controller in your hand when you see a NES game on the screen..but when you feel that it's an entire different shape, it messes (me, at least) up completely.  I can do so much better on SMB2j on the Famicom than the Wii.  I don't know how to explain it very well, but I think a lot of people on this forum know what I'm talking about.

Sorry if that sounded mean at all. :-[

Quote from: Blue Protoman on March 11, 2009, 03:43:07 pm

QuoteIt has an AC adapter, but it can also be played with batteries...and in the car...but it can't fit in your pocket.

If you try playing VB in the car, the display will break.  The Virtual Boy's got moving parts inside, you know.

I have.  I'll admit it's not the best, but all of my family's cars drive pretty well, so it's not too bumpy when I play.  It's actually quite fun playing some VB games while you're moving...it feels....cool :P

That Panasonic chrome 'Cube is pretty cool... only seen a couple in real life...
I liked the Gamecube for a handful of games... but the chrome cube is what it SHOULD have been. Like the Sharp Twin Famicom, this thing was an officially licensed piece of gear.

Nintendodork: I did not include the virtual boy because it is just a fail, so I felt it was best to leave it out, I don't know anyone that enjoys playing a vr32 anyway.

LET and Nintendodork: both of your points are valid about the downloadable stuff with the wii but dork understood the point of the poll. From what I've seen, most of the wiiware games that come from games from previous systems are the same as when they were originally released. Other wiiware games are exclusive for the wii. I would personally rather play Ocarina of Time or Mario 64 on my Nintendo 64 before the emulator type stuff that is available. It's just the way to feel like you are a kid again in the late 90's. And thank you dork for clarifying the point I was also going to clarify in your later poll.

OK I see wat you mean about original hardware taking you back.  I just meant in terms of actual execution the wii runs N64 games better with definite visual improvement in colours and crispness.

The Wii controller is actually quite NES like, plus you can get a cube to nes controller :)  but yeah, I think the Famicom controller is the way they should be played - the shape of the thing makes it comfy to have your fingers where the L and R buttons would be if they were there and the NES controller doesn't have that..

Why won't Club Nintendo do a Wii Famicom controller :(

/\   The Wii controller is the most god awful thing ever created (even worse than the original XBox controller).  It is certainly nothing like the NES controller IMO.  '

In my case, I collect NES games, so if I got a Wii and downloaded them, then wtf would be the point?  Without having the actual cartridge and system at hand, I feel at a great distance from a game and have a hard time getting into them--particularly important with RPGs.  I actually feel more a part of NES RPGs than I do with any system afterwards...when the graphics look real, all my imagination goes out the window and I don't feel as though I'm playing a game.  To go even further, just reading a book without so much as a picture is more engaging than a modern game. 

QuoteI don't know anyone that enjoys playing a vr32 anyway.

Hi, my name is Jesse.  Pleased to meet you.

Quote from: Blue Protoman on March 12, 2009, 08:06:37 am

QuoteI don't know anyone that enjoys playing a vr32 anyway.

Hi, my name is Jesse.  Pleased to meet you.

I also like the Virtual Boy. 

Quote from: L___E___T on March 11, 2009, 11:07:14 pm
Why won't Club Nintendo do a Wii Famicom controller :(

Because they already made a SFC controller...and now Nintendo probably thinks it would be stupid to make a Famicom controller...

Quote from: L___E___T on March 11, 2009, 11:07:14 pm
I just meant in terms of actual execution the wii runs N64 games better with definite visual improvement in colours and crispness.

I don't notice a change in either of those when I play N64 games on the Wii.  They look exactly the same to me.  Plus, it took me a little while to get used to the classic controller in an N64 game...it's just weird..

Quote from: L___E___T on March 11, 2009, 11:07:14 pm
OK I see wat you mean about original hardware taking you back.  I just meant in terms of actual execution the wii runs N64 games better with definite visual improvement in colours and crispness.

The Wii controller is actually quite NES like

Really, the only similarity is that it has a D-Pad...

Quote from: Rob64 on March 11, 2009, 10:22:00 am
Patman, just take some time and relect on both of them, and then pick one. It was hard for a lot of us I'm sure that participated in this poll.

Oh no, I voted. But as far as you guys are concerned I picked both. :)