Famicom World

Hey all.  I'm working on getting the information we have on the forum about fighting game pirates:

http://www.famicomworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=533.0 (http://www.famicomworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=533.0)

processed and put into the FW game list.  I'm not really into fighting games (or pirate carts either) so I'm hoping to get some help here in sorting this list out.

My main problem is figuring out which of these games are original pirates and which are simply hacks of those originals.  

For clarity's sake, let me say that "original" is being used to say that the game is original for the Famicom and not necessarily an original intellectual property.  For example, the Street Fighter II: The World Warrior pirate is considered an original pirate.  A "hack" is a case where only the title screen or character select layout or whatever was changed but the game is largely the same as some pirate original.  Games that use the same engine aren't necessarily hacks of each other.  I don't have a clearly defined notion of when a hack would be different enough to be considered an original, so games that fall into this middle region will be open to debate.

If you know of any FC fighting games that are not in this list, please post info about them (if you feel like it) in the thread linked above.  This will help keep this thread organized while making sure those new games are documented so that they can be added later.

Any assistance is greatly appreciated ;D

The list as follows will show original pirates in bold, followed by any hacks of that original pirate below it in italics (not all will have hacks).  These are the originals and hacks that I have some confidence are correctly categorized based on the above thread and other forum posts.  If you object to any of the categorizations, please say so.

AV Beautiful Girl Fighting

Dragon, The

Dragon Ball Z 2
Dragon Ball Z III
Dragon Ball Z 5 mrdomino/Masterdisk

Dragon Ball Z 5 mrdomino/Masterdisk

Dragon Fighter JC

Dream Fighter JC

Fatal Fury 2 Masterdisk
Fatal Fury 2' Masterdisk

Fatal Fury Special Masterdisk

Fighting Hero

Fighting Hero III mrdomino

General's Son, The mrdomino

Kart Fighter

King of Fighters '96, The
King of Fighters '97, The mrdomino/Masterdisk
King of Fighters '98, The mrdomino/Masterdisk

King of Fighters '97, The mrdomino/Masterdisk
King of Fighters '98, The mrdomino/Masterdisk
King of Fighters '99, The Masterdisk

Master Fighter VI' Masterdisk

Mortal Kombat 2 - Cony Soft. - MasterDisk
Mortal Kombat V Turbo 30 - MasterDisk

Mortal Kombat II: Turbo Masterdisk
Mortal Kombat III: Turbo Masterdisk

Mortal Kombat II: Midway
Mortal Kombat III: Midway

Mortal Kombat II: Special
Mortal Kombat III: Special
Mortal Kombat 3: Special 56 Pepoles

Mortal Kombat 3 - Masterdisk
Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 - MasterDisk
Mortal Kombat 4 - MasterDisk
Ultimate Mortal Kombat 4 - MasterDisk

Mortal Kombat III ((SuperGame)) - Masterdisk
Mortal Kombat III: Extra 60 - Masterdisk

Mortal Kombat Trilogy
Mortal Kombat Trilogy - MK5 (8 player) Masterdisk

Pearl

Samurai Spirits / Street Heroes / Samurai Showdown

Samurai Spirits (different) mrdomino
Samurai Showdown III (unsure) mrdomino

Samurai Spirits 2 mrdomino/Masterdisk

Street Fighter II: The World Warrior
Street Fighter II: The World Warrior (invincibility)
Mario Fighter III: The World Warrior
Master Fighter II: The World Warrior
Street Fighter III: The World Warrior
Super Fighter II' (title screen hack) - MasterDisk

Street Fighter II Pro (unsure which is the true original) mrdomino
Fighter V mrdomino
Street Blaster V Turbo mrdomino
Street Blaster II Pro mrdomino
Street Blaster VII Pro mrdomino
Super Blaster VII Turbo mrdomino
Street Fighter VI 12 Peoples mrdomino
Street Fighter V Turbo 60 mrdomino
Street Fighter II Pro mrdomino
Super Blaster VII: Turbo mrdomino

Street Fighter IV

Super Fighter III / Street Fighter III (unclear lineage) mrdomino/Masterdisk
Super Fighter III / Street Fighter III (unclear lineage) mrdomino/Masterdisk
Street Fighter III Mari Turbo (hack or update?) mrdomino/Masterdisk

Street Fighter '97 Zero 2 Masterdisk
Street Fighter Zero 2 Masterdisk

Tekken 2
Tekken 3
Toshinden

World Heroes
World Hero - Strider_Hiryu

World Heroes 2 mrdomino

Yuu Yuu 2


This next list is for the pirates that I can't find information for.  These are games that I'm not comfortable adding to the FW games list without getting more information.  I'm not doubting their existence, but without having any idea of what they are I'm not sure how to categorize them.  Any and all information about these games is greatly appreciated.

Originals (I'm guessing...)
Fatal Fury 2 Masterdisk
Fatal Fury Special Masterdisk
Fighting Hero III mrdomino
General's Son, The mrdomino
Master Fighter VI' Masterdisk
Mortal Kombat II (does this exist or is it Midway or Special or something else?) exists, Cony - MasterDisk
Samurai Spirits 2 mrdomino/Masterdisk
Street Fighter '97 Zero 2 Masterdisk
Super Fighter III mrdomino/Masterdisk

Hacks (or maybe not, I dunno)
Street Blaster II Pro (hack of Street Fighter II Pro?) mrdomino
Street Fighter III: Mari Turbo mrdomino
Super Blaster VII: Turbo mrdomino
World Hero (same as World Heroes?) mrdomino
World Heroes 2 (hack of Fatal Fury 2?) mrdomino

One or the other, I have no idea
Dragon Fighter JC
Fighter V mrdomino
Mortal Kombat 5 - MasterDisk
Samurai Showdown III (unsure) mrdomino
Samurai Spirits (different from the original SS listed above) mrdomino
Street Blaster V: Turbo mrdomino
Street Blaster VII Pro mrdomino
Street Fighter II Pro mrdomino
Street Fighter III mrdomino
Street Fighter VI: 12 Peoples mrdomino
Super Fighter
Super Fighter II' (title screen hack of Street Fighter II) - MasterDisk
Super Justice King
Super Shinobi, The mrdomino

And this last list are the misc fighting games:

Contra Fighter - is a hack of a GI Joe game and not actually a fighting game.
Joy Mech Fight - is not a pirate.
Mortal Kombat 6 - is a hack of Yuu Yuu Hakusho and not technically a pirate fighter.
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Tournament Fighters - is a port of an NES exclusive.
Super Shinobi, The - not a fighting game.  mrdomino

Again, any and all help is appreciated ;D


Again, any and all help is appreciated ;D

I'll try to look at this more, but on a quick look at it, we're missing Dream Fighter, which is an original by Caltron Industries published by Asder Soft in 1992. Dragon Fighter looks like an original from the screens I've seen.

couple of mistakes I noticed - Dragon Ball Z 5 and King of Fighters 97 are both original, not hacks. (KoF 98 is a hack of 97 though).

as for the uncategorised stuff: Samurai Spirits (the other version), General's Son, Fighting Hero III, Samurai Spirits 2, World Heroes 2 are definitely originals. Super Shinobi isn't really a fighting game.

Fighter V, Street Blaster V Turbo, Street Blaster II Pro, Street Blaster VII Pro, Super Blaster VII Turbo, Street Fighter VI 12 Peoples, Street Fighter V Turbo 60 and Street Fighter II Pro are all derived from the same source, but I'm not exactly sure what the original version is. (probably SF2 Pro?)

I'm also fairly sure Super Fighter III is an original - Street Fighter III and Street Fighter III Mari Turbo are definitely hacks of it, but I suppose Super Fighter III might itself be a hack of something else

Are your sure Samurai Spirits 2 is original? It reminds me a lot of Street Fighter '97 Zero 2. Maybe one is a hack of the other?

They're definitely based on the same engine, but I don't think they're close enough for either one to qualify as a hack.

Quote from: MasterDisk on May 09, 2010, 12:24:54 am

QuoteSamurai Showdown III
Samurai Spirits (different from the original SS listed above)

SS3 is by Waixing and SS is by Sachen.

The Sachen version is the one that's already listed, its actually just Street Heroes with a new title screen. The other version is an original by Rex Soft, and I think SS3 is a hack of that. (but it's not by Waixing - they did release a Samurai Spirits game, but its an RPG)

Quote from: MasterDisk on May 09, 2010, 12:24:54 am
Street Fighter case:
Street Fighter II is the original. Street Fighter III is an update to Street Fighter II (not hack). I think SF3Mari is an update of it but I'm not sure.

I'm fairly sure Super Fighter III came before Street Fighter III though.

I still think Super Fighter III came before Street Fighter III, and someone just ripped and modified the title screen from Yoko's SF2 to give it the more recognisable Street Fighter III name - the "Push Start to Play" and difficulty selection text looks to me like it was designed to be displayed in the Super Fighter III palette. in the Street Fighter III version the colours look weird.

I have this piece of crap

(http://img249.echo.cx/img249/8316/world7re.jpg)

Looks like a original pirate one, not a HACK. But it uses the same engine as street fighter 3

I was waiting for the conversation to simmer down so that I could process it all and come up with a new list.  I guess I can do that tonight.

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I updated the list to reflect the changes mentioned here.  I put the posters' names next to the games to indicate that their posts prompted the change.  If I misinterpreted one of your posts, please let me know.  Items in red seem to be debatable and any insight for these would be valuable.  Items in the second and third list that are not striked remain unknown.

Masterdisk: can you clarify what you said about Tekken 2 and Tekken 3?  Is one a hack of the other?

Quote from: MasterDisk on May 10, 2010, 09:53:05 pm
you forgot this:

Quote

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Mortal Kombat II: Midway
Mortal Kombat II: Turbo
Mortal Kombat III: Midway
Mortal Kombat III: Turbo

Mortal Kombat II Turbo is the original, then there's Turbo III.

So MK II: Midway and MK II: Turbo are both originals and III: Midway and III: Turbo are hacks?

Quote from: MasterDisk on May 10, 2010, 09:53:05 pm
And you pasted 2 times "Super Fighter III / Street Fighter III (unclear lineage) mrdomino/Masterdisk".

I did that because one of the two games is an original and the other is a hack of that original.  We haven't come to a consensus as to which came first.

Quote from: MasterDisk on May 11, 2010, 07:31:21 am
Please add:
Final Fight 3 (original)

Title screen hack of FF3: Garoudensetsu Special

Is this Final Fight 3?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUurQPsu8pk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUurQPsu8pk)

That's a beat-em-up, though, not a fighting game.

Good catch with Power Rangers -- they're not quite one-on-one fighters.

Mortal Kombat III: Extra 60 is a hack of Super Game's Mortal Kombat III which is rather common on their multicarts:
(http://cah4e3.shedevr.org.ru/dumping/2005/images/mk3sg0.png)(http://cah4e3.shedevr.org.ru/dumping/2005/images/mk3sg1.png)

I have a version of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Tournament Fighter... Famicom pirate cart. It's a fighter, does it qualify for your cart list?

It's already on the list under the Misc section.  Thanks, though!

Quote from: UglyJoe on May 08, 2010, 07:45:03 pm

World Heroes (same as World Hero?) Strider_Hiryu

Yes, both games are the same  ;)

man, I was gonna collect all the street fighter pirates, but I have a major headache now....

I don't know how much this will help, but, this forum has one of the most dedicated pirate/unlicensed game communities. There's a ton you probably do not already know:

s1.zetaboards.com/the_rx_community

Looking at that list, I think MK4 is actually a hacked version of Mortal Kombat 3, which isn't listed here. It's the same thing except with a different title screen and I think one version (which isn't in ROM format) has fewer repeats. There's also Myth Struggle, which is a hack of (I think) Dragon Ball Z 2, made by Waixing.

Alright, I've updated the list to reflect the latest changes mentioned in the thread (sorry for taking so long :-[).  Please let me know if you see any errors.

I've applied your changes.

Quote from: MasterDisk on January 31, 2011, 09:16:41 am
Super Fighter II'
Title screen hack of Street Fighter II.

I added this under Street Fighter II: The World Warrior, is that correct?

Quote from: MasterDisk on January 31, 2011, 09:16:41 am
No idea list:
Mortal Kombat 5

I crossed this one off.  Is it confirmed that this doesn't exist, then?

These are missing:
San Guo Zhi - Qun Xiong Zheng Ba
(Chinese characters) Super Fighter (Street Fighter Hack)

Zhen Ben Xi You Ji

Myth Struggle (Hack Dragon Ball)

Below is a list I made some time.
[removed dead links]

Here's a Bad Dudes hack!
(http://www.nesplayer.com/pirates/streetfighter2010/streetfighter2010.png)

Thanks, but Bad Dudes isn't a fighting game.

I think you'll find that Street Fighter 2010 is a completely different game to Bad Dudes. Oh it's klax, no wonder such a stupid message was written in the first place. :P

At least I'm trying!
Oh, it's cheetah men!

I think, unrecognized Super Fighter is about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIHAZ2l5vf0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85QalNucQ2Y

(http://oreanor.narod.ru/img/common/SuperFighter.jpg)

Perhaps this will help

http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/BootlegGames_Wiki

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Quote from: Oreanor on September 23, 2012, 05:19:18 am
I think, unrecognized Super Fighter is about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIHAZ2l5vf0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85QalNucQ2Y

(http://oreanor.narod.ru/img/common/SuperFighter.jpg)

This actually looks playable! I'd love to try that one.

So I guess the list at the first page on this thread basically defines the list of pirate Famicom games, and then the countless amount of hacks and what not.

My question would be, does anyone know which of these games were (or were not) released with boxes?  It seems that so many of the fighting games had boxes, but it would be nice to know what does and doesn't have a box.

Another few comments on the current list, though I imagine that they will probably go unanswered as well.  Does anyone know if all of these games were released as singles, or were some only available on multicarts? I have literally about half of the above list of games, as single carts, and although I originally didn't think that I was going to try to collect all of these hacks, with owning so many of them to begin with, I figure I might as well just get the rest.  So I wonder if any were only found on multicarts or not?

Also, the above list is incomplete.  I own a few which do not appear on the list.  I will need to go back through my master list and crosscheck with yours, so yours can be updated.

i'd love to see that (completed) list with the entire family tree of the originals and their hacks in chronological order.
next list: the unlicensed original beat 'm ups!
;)

Unless I'm misunderstanding, the classification between pirate and unlicensed is the unauthorized use of material under copyright, right? This is why Wisdom Tree games would be considered unlicensed, but not pirates. If that's the case, I believe The General's Son would be classified as  unlicensed and not pirate because it was an original game developed as a licensed tie-in to the film of the same name. source (http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/korea/part1/company-daou.htm)

Quote from: M-Tee on December 10, 2014, 05:17:04 am
Unless I'm misunderstanding, the classification between pirate and unlicensed is the unauthorized use of material under copyright, right? This is why Wisdom Tree games would be considered unlicensed, but not pirates. If that's the case, I believe The General's Son would be classified as  unlicensed and not pirate because it was an original game developed as a licensed tie-in to the film of the same name. source (http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/korea/part1/company-daou.htm)

For the sake of this thread, the definitions aren't that important.  The aim was to gather a list of fighting games for the Famicom (99% of which are not licensed games) and determine which are original games and which are hacks of the original games.

Regardless, the definitions of "pirate" and "unlicensed" are kind of subjective.  The official FW stance (that is, how the FW website defines them, not how the forum in general defines them) are (to paraphrase a post by JC from 2009):

Licensed -- the obvious one.

Unlicensed -- games with original gameplay when compared with licensed games, even if the game borrows some graphics from licensed games.

Hacks -- games with the same gameplay as a licensed game, only the graphics are hacked, either basically or extensively. I usually refer to hacks as basic hacks -- title screen, main character -- or extensive hacks -- more than just the title screen, main character.

Pirates -- games that are the exact copy of licensed games, except perhaps the removal of the copyright or an altered title screen.

Gotcha.

By the way, what's Pearl? It caught my eye on the list, but my Google Fu has apparently failed me.

another game that deserves a spot on this list is
"Ye Ming Zhu" a.k.a Night Pearl by Wai Xing.
(if it isn't on there by now)
and Dream Fighter by Asder/NTDEC.

Dream Fighter is already on there.

We have Pearl on there, which according to the older thread referenced in the first post is apparently the same game.  The title screen doesn't have the world "Night" on it anywhere (in English).

ah, must've missed that  :-[

Fatal Fury Real bout

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS_JN9V1EqA

Quote from: UglyJoe on April 12, 2015, 11:28:09 am
Dream Fighter is already on there.

We have Pearl on there, which according to the older thread referenced in the first post is apparently the same game.  The title screen doesn't have the world "Night" on it anywhere (in English).

It should be listed as Night Pearl, or as ye mingzhu (夜明珠).  Ye = night, mingzhu = pearl, just like the same "ye" in "yeshi" (夜市), night market.  To list the game as Pearl is simply wrong. 

you forgot garou desentsu special