HI all,
Is the famicom titler really worth the $1,000 mark? :upsetroll:
I think the price in Japan is more like 500$ -700$ but I haven't followed it closely, it is too expensive for me. Might be 1000 $ as you say.
It is pricey because it offers the best possible image quality with its RGB output. Also it is quite rare.
Sometimes you can see people just selling the RGB card for 200 - 300$ in Japan.
I remember when you could buy a new one for $500 :(
Waaaah.
Because some people ruins it by removing the PPU, so it became rarer in working condition so price increased a lot.
Depending of condition: from $470 to $700 loose ---- 670 to 850 boxed, maybe 950-1000 if it's unopened.
I think it's awful that folks remove the PPU. If you really want a sharp visual clarity, just get an emulator. Famicom wasn't designed for HD TVs.
For roughly the same price of the PPU alone, you could get an old Lumigen, DVDO, or Key Digital video processor and scale the image of all your old consoles to work great with HDTVs.
Why would someone take the PPU out of one famicom to put it in another?
It's the retro gaming equivalent of shark fin soup. No wonder it's so popular in Japan.
"The console was released exclusively in Japan at a retail price of 43,000 yen" :o (the famicom was released at 14,800 six years earlier)
Says wikipedia, who also has an external link to famicomworld....
http://famicomworld.com/system/famicom-titler/
I think people prefer to have an AV Famicom or Twin Famicom rather than the titler. The titler is around twice the size of a Twin Famicom and it weighs 4,5 kg. That's probably why people prefer to put the PPU in their everyday console of choice. Some people have to have the best.
Personally I think that RGB is overrated for any console; I've looked at clips (most recently Pc Engine) and I don't consider it to be a big deal.
If you want HD, buy xbox...
Never heard of people harvesting the PPU from these systems to stick in another Famicom other than some Japanese sites that show people doing this, specially for someone out of Japan that would be very expensive, considering you can get the PPU from arcade boards for much cheaper.
Most people don't RGB mod their systems for HD TVs that would just be stupid, I use my RGB modded Famicom on a 1990s SONY CRT RGB monitor, the picture is amazing.
And no scaler is ever going to clean up Composite video to RGB quality.
I remember when these systems were going for about 300 NIB tops, used even cheaper- even if you do not use RGB these systems are the only units to output S-video straight out of the box. That's one of the reasons they go for so much.
Quote from: L___E___T on February 01, 2012, 11:04:52 am
I think it's awful that folks remove the PPU. If you really want a sharp visual clarity, just get an emulator. Famicom wasn't designed for HD TVs.
I just suggested a scaler for HDTV use, not to match RGB output.
My video processor, coincidentally, does output through either component, RGB HV, and/or HDMI, but like I said, it's not true high quality RGB output. I input the signal to the VP through S-Video (via an AV switcher). It treats the 240 signal from the Famicom as 480i and can scale/deinterlace it nicely to 480P, 720i/P or even 1080i/P (which looks like shit :bub:). Good enough to play and enjoy either way, since it is virtually unplayable without it on a 73" HDTV. It makes all the other consoles I have look damn good, too. For under $500, it was a pretty good purchase IMO.
I've always been interested in modding my AV Famicom for Svideo output, is the encoder in the famicom tilter the only way to do it? I don't think I could do it if it meant paying that much just to destroy original hardware...
Quote from: ericj on February 01, 2012, 07:34:52 pm
I just suggested a scaler for HDTV use, not to match RGB output.
My video processor, coincidentally, does output through either component, RGB HV, and/or HDMI, but like I said, it's not true high quality RGB output. I input the signal to the VP through S-Video (via an AV switcher). It treats the 240 signal from the Famicom as 480i and can scale/deinterlace it nicely to 480P, 720i/P or even 1080i/P (which looks like shit :bub:). Good enough to play and enjoy either way, since it is virtually unplayable without it on a 73" HDTV. It makes all the other consoles I have look damn good, too. For under $500, it was a pretty good purchase IMO.
If you want to play on a HD set then an upscaler makes sense, I used to have a Sigma scaler, worked great for component to HDMI conversion, but didn't do as well a job on composite video, specially not on 2D video games.
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Quote from: RetroGamerTMD on February 01, 2012, 07:55:46 pm
I've always been interested in modding my AV Famicom for Svideo output, is the encoder in the famicom tilter the only way to do it? I don't think I could do it if it meant paying that much just to destroy original hardware...
No there are other options, you can use Nintendo VS and Playchoice boards, it is cheaper but still very destructive in the sense that you are taking a part out of an arcade board that will make it unusable. You also need to build or buy a RGB to S-video/video encoder.
I also remember when you could buy these 300 new. Shame.
I wonder why people would rip apart their Titlers anyway instead of just using them for playing.
Quote from: DerZocker on February 02, 2012, 09:30:27 am
I wonder why people would rip apart their Titlers anyway instead of just using them for playing.
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
A titler in good condition just went for 43,115 Yen on Yahoo Auctions.
Quote from: DerZocker on February 02, 2012, 09:30:27 am
I wonder why people would rip apart their Titlers anyway instead of just using them for playing.
Its a BIG system for most Japanese collectors who have tiny apartments, it would take up a lot of space. Thats why a lot of times Japanese collectors will remove the PPU from these and use it in the smaller original or AV Famicom.
Yeah I don 't buy that either. It's out of sentimentalism for the NES. If everyone just cared about video they could use emulators with no save states.
It's because people want the ultimate Famciom/ NES, the Titler isn't really a famicom is something else.
I think I'd also rather want a famicom (twin, AV, or classic) with PPU rather than the titler monstrosity. It does take up a lot of space.
I'd rather have one without the PPU, I don't believe famicom games were meant to be played this way. That means sprites and palettes were also not designed to be seen that way.
I'm not putting it down, but I'd rather have the fuzzy bleeding than emu-vision of S-video.
Yup can't have this both ways. composite takes it too far. Edges of objects not clearly defined, isn't what they meant either. Squares and circles should be perfect.
There are some RGB purists, to each their own I suppose.
(http://www.chrismcovell.com/gotRGB/RGBtest5sm.jpg)
http://www.chrismcovell.com/gotRGB/fctitler.html
I still use my old thick TV, most people think that's weird...
I also think Monet is one of the most amazing painters... ;D
Quote from: Lum on June 28, 2012, 02:46:44 pm
Yup can't have this both ways. composite takes it too far. Edges of objects not clearly defined, isn't what they meant either. Squares and circles should be perfect.
Actually this isn't true - if you compare the opening of Rockman 2 with composite to S-Video, you'll see it's nowhere near as good. Developers often used retail kits backwards engineered to make games. There weren't the development kits we have now back then.
Quote from: fredJ on June 28, 2012, 04:30:40 pmI still use my old thick TV, most people think that's weird...
I also think Monet is one of the most amazing painters... ;D
You're not alone for both.
I go for RGB wherever possible! I kind of resent Nintendo for being so bad in this department, nearly every single one of my Sega consoles has native RGB output.
Yeah, video quality on the Master System in RGB destroys the Famicom, it looks almost like an entirely different generation of console. However, as far as composite goes, the NES and modded Famicom do have pretty good image quality, so I deal.
I'd love to mod the thing for RGB like my PC Engine stuff, but I can't in good conscience murder something as rare as a Playchoice board to do it. I keep hoping to randomly find one defective and unrepairable, but that's pretty unlikely.
Another auction on Yahoo.
http://page11.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/n115224394 (http://page11.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/n115224394)
Maybe somebody's interested.
40,500Yen and 2:40h to go.
Wow looks good! A bit too much for me though. I like Monet too. ;D
I'd be all overnthat if I had that kinda money laying around.
It ended at 48,500 Yen.
... 620$ before shipping... The days of new units for under 300$ are definitely over and I'm 99.99% sure they won't be coming back. :'(
I've already started saving up for one. Just hope I can still find a new one that day!