List games not released in Japan

[Matador]

Hi,
Anyone have List games not released in Japan ?

Flinstones 2
Felix the Cat
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[fcgamer]

There's a lot of them - the following might be an alright starting list, though some of the games were released on Famicom officially in Taiwan and other places (the unlicensed originals).

Most of the NES-exclusive items were also bootlegged and released on Famiclone cartridges distributed around Taiwan, Argentina, Poland, etc back in the 90s.

6 in 1 (Caltron)
720 Degrees
A Nightmare on Elm Street
Action 52
Addams Family
Addams Family: Pugsley's Scavenger Hunt
Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: DragonStrike
Adventures of Golligan's Island
Adventures of Lolo
Adventures of Rad Gravity
Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle and Friends
After Burner
Airwolf
Alex DeMeo's Race America (Race America)
Alfred Chicken
Alien 3
American Gladiators
Anticipation
Arch Rivals: A Basket Brawl!
Archon
Arkista's Ring
Attack of the Killer Tomatoes
Baby Boomer
Back to the Future
Back to the Future II & III
Bad Street Brawler
Bandai Golf: Challenge Pebble Beach
Barbie
Barker Bill's Trick Shooting
Baseball Stars II
Batman Returns
Battle Chess
Battleship
Battletoads & Double Dragon
Bee 52
Beetlejuice
Best of the Best: Championship Karate
Bible Adventures
Bible Buffet
Big Nose Freaks Out
Big Nose the Caveman
Bigfoot
Bill & Ted's Excellent Video Game Adventure
Bill Elliott's NASCAR Challenge
Blackjack (AVE)
Blues Brothers
Bo Jackson Baseball
Bram Stoker's Dracula
Break Time: The National Pool Tour
BreakThru
Bubble Bath Babes
Cabal
Caesar's Palace
California Games
Captain America and the Advengers
Captain Comic: The Adventure
Captain Planet and the Planeteers
Captain Skyhawk
Casino Kid II
Castle of Deceit
Caveman Games
Challenge of the Dragon
Championship Pool
Chessmaster
Chiller
Classic Concentration
Cliffhanger
Cobra Triangle
Color a Dinosaur
Conan
Contra Force
Cool World
Crystal Mines
Cyber Stadium Series: Base Wars
Cyberball
Cybernoid: The Fighting Machine
Danny Sullivan's Indy Heat
Darkman
Dash Galaxy in the Alien Asylum
Day Dreamin' Davey
Days of Thunder
Death Race
Deathbots
Defender of the Crown
Defenders of Dynatron City
Destination Earthstar
Dick Tracy
Digger T. Rock: Legend of the Lost City
Dirt Harry
Disney's Adventures in the Magic Kingdom
Disney's Darkwing Duck
Disney's TaleSpin
Disney's The Jungle Book
Dizzy the Adventurer
Donkey Kong Classics
Double Dare
Double Strike
Dudes with Attitude
Dynowarz: Destruction of Spondylus
Eliminator Boat Duel
Exodus: Journey to the Promised Land
F-117A Stealth Fighter
F-15 City War
F-15 Strike Eagle
Family Feud
Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy
Fantasy Zone
Felix the Cat
Fester's Quest
Firehawk
Fisher-Price: Firehouse Rescue
Fisher-Price: I Can Remember
Fisher-Price: Perfect Fit
Flight of the Intruder
Flintstones: The Surprise at Dinosaur Peak!
Flying Warriors
Formula One: Built to Win
Fox's Peter Pan & the Pirates: The Revenge of Captain Hook
Frankenstein: The Monster Returns
Freedom Force
Friday the 13th
Fun House
G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero
G.I. Joe: The Atlantis Factor
Galactic Crusader
Galaxy 5000: Racing in the 51st Century
Garry Kitchen's Battletank
Gauntlet
Gauntlet II
George Foreman's KO Boxing
Ghostbusters II
Ghoul School
Godzilla 2: War of the Monsters
Gotcha! The Sport!
Great Waldo Search
Greg Norman's Golf Power
Gumshoe
Harlem Globetrotters
Heavy Shreddin'
High Spoeed
Hollywood Squares
Home Alone
Home Alone 2: Lost in New York
Hunt for Red October
Immortal
Impossible Mission II
Incredible Crash Dummies
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1991)
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1993)
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
Infiltrator
IronSword: Wizards & Warriors II
Ivan "Ironman" Stewart's Super Off Road
Jack Nicklaus' Greatest 18 Holes of Major Championship Golf
James Bond Jr.
Jaws
Jeopardy!
Jeopardy! 25th Anniversary Edition
Jeopardy! Junior Edition
Jim Henson's Muppet Adventure: Chaos at the Carnival
Jimmy Connors Tennis
Joe & Mac
John Elway's Quarterback
Jordan vs Bird: One on One
Joshua & the Battle of Jericho
Jurassic Park
Karate Kid
KickMaster
King Neptune's Adventure
King of Kings: The Early Years
King's Quest V
Kings of the Beach
Kiwi Kraze
KlashBall
Krazy Kreatures
Krusty's Fun House
Last Action Hero
Last Ninja
Last Starfighter
Legendary Wings
Legends of the Diamond: The Baseball Championship Game
Lemmings
Lethal Weapon
Linus Spacehead's Cosmic Crusade
Lone Ranger
Loopz
Low G Man: The Low Gravity Man
M.C. Kids
M.U.L.E.
Mad Max
Magic Johnson's Fast Break
Magician
Major League Baseball
Maniac Mansion
Marble Madness
Mario is Missing!
Mario's Time Machine
Master Chu and the Drunkard Hu
Maxi 15
Mechanized Attack
Menace Beach
Mermaids of Atlantis: The Riddle of the Magic Bubble
Mickey'a Safari in Letterland
Mickey's Adventure in Numberland
Micro Machines
Mig 29: Soviet Fighter
Miracle Piano Teaching System
Mission Cobra
Mission: Impossible
Monster in My Pocket
Monster Party
Monster Truck Rally
Moon Ranger
Motor City Patrol
Ms. Pac Man (Namco)
Ms. Pac Man (Tengen)
Mutant Virus: Crisis in a Computer World
NARC
NES Play Action Football
NFL Football
Nigel Mansell's World Championship Racing
Nightshade
Nintendo World Championships 1990
Operation: Secret Storm
Orb 3-D
Overlord
P'radikus Conflict
Pac-Mania
Paperboy 2
Peek a Boo Poker
Pesterminator: The Western Exterminator
Pictionary
Pinbot
Pipe Dream
Pirates!
Platoon
Power Blade
Power Punch II
Prince of Persia
Punisher
Puss 'N Boots: Pero's Great Adventure
Puzzle
Pyramid
Q*Bert
Qix
Quattro Adventure
Quattro Arcade
Quattro Sports
R.B.I. Baseball 2
R.B.I. Baseball 3
R.C. Pro-Am
R.C. Pro-Am II
Rad Racer II
Rad Racket: Deluxe Tennis II
Raid 2020
Rampage
Rampart
Remote Control
Ren & Stimpy Show: Buckaroo$!
Road Runner
RoadBlasters
Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves
RoboCop 3
Robodemons
Rocket Ranger
Rocketeer
Roger Clemens' MVP Baseball
Rollerblade Racer
Rollergames
Roundball 2-on-2 Challenge
Secret Scout in the Temple of Demise
Sesame Street: 123
Sesame Street: ABC
Sesame Street: ABC & 123
Sesame Street: Big Bird's Hide & Speak
Sesame Street: Countdown
Shinobi
ShockWave
Shooting Range
Short Order / Eggsplode!
Silent Assault
Silent Service
Silkworm?
Silver Surfer
Simpsons: Bart vs the Space Mutants
Simpsons: Bart vs the World
Simpsons: Bartman Meets Radioactive Man
Skate or Die
Skate or Die 2: The Search for Double Trouble
Ski or Die
Skull & Crossbones
Sky Shark
Slalom
Smash T.V.
Snake Rattle n Roll
Snake's Revenge
Solar Jetman: Hunt for the Golden Warpship
Solitaire (AVE)
Space Shuttle Project
Spider-Man: Return of the Sinister Six
Spiritual Warfare
Spy Hunter
Stanley: The Search for Dr. Livingston
Star Trek: 25th Anniversary
Star Trek: The Next Generation
StarTropics
Stealth ATF
Strider?
Stunt Kids
Sunday Funday: The Ride
Super Cars
Super Glove Ball
Super Jeopardy!
Super Mario Bros / Duck Hunt
Super Mario Bros / Duck Hunt / World Class Track Meet
Super Spike V'Ball / Nintendo World Cup
Swamp Thing
Swords and Serpents
T&C Surf Designs: Thrilla's Surfari
T&C Surf Designs: Wood & Water Rage
Taboo: The Sixth Sense
Tagin' Dragon
Target: Renegade
Tecmo Baseball
Tecmo NBA Basketball
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Tournament Fighters
Terminator
Tetris (Tengen)
Three Stooges
Thundercade
Tiles of Fate
Time Lord
Tiny Toon Adventures: Cartoon Workshop
To the Earth
Toobin'
Total Recall
Toxic Crusaders
Treasure Master
Trog!
Trolls on Treasure Island
Ultima: Warriors of Destiny
Ultimate League Soccer
Ultimate Stuntman
Uncanny X-Men
Venice Beach Volleyball
Videomation
Vindicators
Wally Bear and the NO! Gang
Wayne Gretzky Hockey
Wayne's World
Wheel of Fortune
Wheel of Fortune: Family Edition
Wheel of Fortune: Featuring Vanna White
Wheel of Fortune: Junior Edition
Where in Time is Carmen Sandiego?
Where's Waldo?
Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
Widget
Win, Lose, or Draw
Wizards & Warriors III: Kuros: Visions of Power
Wolverine
World Games
WWF King of the Ring
WWF Wrestlemania
WWF WrestleMania: Steel Cage Challenge
Xenophobe
Young Indiana Jones Chronicles
Zen: Intergalactic Ninja
Zoda's Revenge: Star Tropics II

[Jedi Master Baiter]

This list includes Tengen Tetris, but not Nintendo Tetris?

[fcgamer]

This list includes Tengen Tetris, but not Nintendo Tetris?

I didn't write this list, so there likely a some errors.

[Ghegs]

One of these days I'm going to make a site/database with all (officially released) NES and Famicom games, and how they relate to each other, so you can easily filter for games that were released for NES but not Famicom, or vice versa. I think I already figured out the database schema the last time the topic came up, I should have it in a file somewhere.

[fcgamer]

There is little overlap between both libraries, especially if we consider the FDS to be its own separate thing, as I do.

[Ghegs]

Several hundred games were released on both NES and Famicom. If we use Wikipedia's list of Famicom games as a source, since it handily also includes the games' NES titles where available, we get 399 games that were released for both. And that means roughly 37% of Famicom games were also released on NES. And the numbers will only increase when we add in FDS titles, due to games like Zelda, Section Z, etc.

Far more than "little overlap" there.

[fcgamer]

Several hundred games were released on both NES and Famicom. If we use Wikipedia's list of Famicom games as a source, since it handily also includes the games' NES titles where available, we get 399 games that were released for both. And that means roughly 37% of Famicom games were also released on NES. And the numbers will only increase when we add in FDS titles, due to games like Zelda, Section Z, etc.

Far more than "little overlap" there.

Some parameters need to be established. Do we count NES games from all regions, versus official Famicom games from only one region (Japan)? Or maybe we should also count official Famicom games from ALL official Famicom regions?

Do we count unlicensed NES games or not? If we are counting unlicensed NES games (such as Super Sprint which I saw on the list) and are also counting PAL games and NTSC games (so several NES regions), surely we should also count unlicensed Famicom games from its two other official Famicom regions, i.e. Taiwan and Hong Kong. That's slightly out of the initial OP's question, but they possibly didn't consider other NES/Famicom regions.

Similarly, FDS does not count, absolutely 100% not. It's always been considered its own thing.

My point is, the NES and Famicom share roughly 1/3 of software (on the Famicom side), and similarly way below half on the NES side, with other software filling in the remainder.

To put it in perspective, German and Danish language have more in common than the NES and Famicom, NES versus Famicom is somewhere between English versus Russian or English versus French, little overlap in the grand scheme of things.

[P]

I don't really agree regarding the FDS. It is more than just a mapper but not much more, I think it's so strange that people consider it its own console, it's just a disk drive for the Famicom that is required by disk versions of games, and I would never want them not count as Famicom/NES games just because of their release media. Many FDS games got a cartridge release for NES after all.
FDS games should go in a separate list since they form a large group that requires you to buy an extra piece of hardware sold separately but they should definitely be included. This is no different from how PC-Engine CD-ROM² games, Sega Mega CD games or Nintendo 64DD disk games are usually treated, so why should FDS be receiving special treatment (for not mentioning home computers such as MSX which could have any number of media types: cassette tape, ROM cartridge, floppy disk, optical disc etc).

Unlicensed games is a huge group of games that are much harder to catalog and should definitely go in their own separate lists.

[Ghegs]

Totally agree with P. I've never heard of anybody consider FDS to be its own console...because it's not, not in any shape or form. It's an add-on, plain and simple. It would be like separating Datach titles as their own console. No, in my hypothetical list FDS games will be clearly marked as FDS titles, but they absolutely will be included in the same list, much like Famicom World's list does.

Unlicensed games and homebrews are totally out. Games like Super Sprint need some thinking because AFAIK the Japanese release is a good 'n proper licensed release. It would also feel odd to not include Tengen's Tetris in the list, despite being unlicensed. Things to consider.

[fcgamer]

I don't really agree regarding the FDS. It is more than just a mapper but not much more, I think it's so strange that people consider it its own console, it's just a disk drive for the Famicom that is required by disk versions of games, and I would never want them not count as Famicom/NES games just because of their release media. Many FDS games got a cartridge release for NES after all.
FDS games should go in a separate list since they forms a large group that requires you to buy an extra piece of hardware sold separately but they should definitely be included. This is no different from how PC-Engine CD-ROM² games, Sega Mega CD games or Nintendo 64DD disk games are usually treated, so why should FDS be receiving special treatment (for not mentioning home computers such as MSX which could have any number of media types: tape, floppy, ROM cartridge, optical disk etc).

Unlicensed games is a huge group of games that are much harder to catalog and should definitely go in their own separate lists.

We should check the books to see how they treat FDS vs cart releases. No collectors that I know of treat Sega CD or n64dd as part of the "set" though, and most definitely consider it as something else.

[fcgamer]

Unlicensed games and homebrews are totally out. Games like Super Sprint need some thinking because AFAIK the Japanese release is a good 'n proper licensed release. It would also feel odd to not include Tengen's Tetris in the list, despite being unlicensed. Things to consider.

So we would just be picking and choosing based on a very western -centric / anti Sinosphere viewpoint then, which would imo totally discredit the project and make it a waste of time at best, or an erroneous source that continues to promote anti-sinosphere thought at best.

How do we handle situations such as Videomation? It was released in the West as a licensed title, but it was also published and released in two official Famicom regions (Taiwan and Hong Kong) by two different publishers. These Famicom versions of Videomation were licensed by the developers, not bootlegs, but they were surely not licensed by Nintendo themselves. A similar situation as the Kiddie Sun game.

Then there's stuff like Tengen. So we exclude and ignore that a NES release exists, since it was unlicensed, or do we "give it a pass"? Do we then exclude Vindicators off of the NES list, or include it for completeness despite it never being released on Famicom and being unlicensed?

What about Tengen Tetris? It's one of the most common bootleg Famicom carts, but it was never officially released on Famicom...then again, it wasn't officially released on the NES either, though we are including *some* Tengen games.

 Even worse yet, how about Skull n Crossbones, Road Runner? They were released unlicensed by Nintendo yet licensed by Tengen in Korea on Famicom, by a Korean company, so non infringing Famicom releases exist. Similarly, they also were released under similar conditions in the States by Tengen.

And the list goes on, and on, and on.

It would be more inappropriate to cherry pick based on personal gut feeling and preference than to exclude the FDS, which people don't consider as part of the FC set.

[fcgamer]

As for documentation of unlicensed, it's more or less been done, so it's definitely not some insurmountable task of impossibility, rather just an easy, convenient "out" based off personal collecting preference. That's my opinion anyways.

[Ghegs]

I don't give a toss what collectors think about the subject. NES, Famicom, FDS, Datach - their games would all go in the same list, their entry in the database would have some sort of identifying information so in the frontend you can easily filter if you only want to see NES games, or only FDS games, and so on. There would also be similar filtering options for other peripherals, like support for lightguns, 3D System, Turbo File, etc.

What games of convoluted licensing to include and what not isn't really worth discussing at this point. It's just a matter of data entry anyway, and is the last thing to happen in this hypothetical project, where not a single line of code has been written yet. As long as the database's schema is well-thought out, it can handle any fringe case.

EDIT: I found and checked the notes I had made last year and the database schema should already support titles even with wacky licensing, because the rows in the main table aren't actually games, they're releases. So something like "Section Z" would have two rows - one row for the FDS release, second row for the NES release. And each row has a column for region, publisher, developer, etc. making it easy for multiple releases of the same game have their own unique data, while connecting the FDS release to the NES release would happen via another table that tracks these connections. Then it's just a matter of presenting the information in the frontend.

[fcgamer]

I don't give a toss what collectors think about the subject. NES, Famicom, FDS, Datach - their games would all go in the same list, their entry in the database would have some sort of identifying information so in the frontend you can easily filter if you only want to see NES games, or only FDS games, and so on. There would also be similar filtering options for other peripherals, like support for lightguns, 3D System, Turbo File, etc.

What games of convoluted licensing to include and what not isn't really worth discussing at this point. It's just a matter of data entry anyway, and is the last thing to happen in this hypothetical project, where not a single line of code has been written yet. As long as the database's schema is well-thought out, it can handle any fringe case.

EDIT: I found and checked the notes I had made last year and the database schema should already support titles even with wacky licensing, because the rows in the main table aren't actually games, they're releases. So something like "Section Z" would have two rows - one row for the FDS release, second row for the NES release. And each row has a column for region, publisher, developer, etc. making it easy for multiple releases of the same game have their own unique data, while connecting the FDS release to the NES release would happen via another table that tracks these connections. Then it's just a matter of presenting the information in the frontend.

That's the problem though, it happens much more frequently than what people make it out to be, it's not just an issue of "fringe" case or not.

So to be clear, at the current time you feel it would be best to add all of the Tengen titles since some have licensed Famicom counterparts, or you feel it would be better to just cherry pick and include certain titles? But how do you then reconcile that with database users when Tengen Tetris is excluded from all lists, or Super Sprint is excluded from the NES list and a random person messages you and says "I had a NES version of that game as a child!"

Data entry is data entry, but these are real things to be discussed; if you want to do a project such as this, you should be doing it with the objective of making it the best it can be, and removing personal bias is one of them. So I ask again what you would and would not include, since it currently looks as though such a list will be developed solely with a western viewpoint in mind.