Pirate vs. unlicensed

[son_ov_hades]

Wow this is more complicated than I thought.

[michaelthegreat]

But you can't just call them official. Call them licensed.

The official/licensed thing is just petty semantics, isn't it? 

Nintendo is not a god, their word on what games are "official" is not the end of everything.

Um...they sort of are in this case.  It's their console.  The games that they approved are the official games for the system.

Yeah, you're probably right. I don't like it still, but I'm probably fighting a losing cause.

Now that the wii has "hacked" games that are licensed, I think the hacks circle should go over licensed too.

I'm not sure what you're talking about.  What does the Wii have to do with the Famicom exactly?

I don't think your pirate and hacks definitions are exactly correct either. I don't really see how hacks and pirates overlap because I can't think of a single instance where a pirate has been hacked. A hack would be by different people or used without permission. I can't think of how we would know this to be true. I think the hack circle should be in the pirate circle.

JC mentioned Tekken/SFII earlier in this thread (Tekken as a hack of SFII, a hack of a pirate, if I understood him correctly). 

I've been sitting here for five minutes trying to come up with a reason not to put the Hacks circle in the Pirates circle and I can't come up with a good reason not to.  I guess that's what I get for making a Venn diagram at one in the morning 

As far as the wii hacked games thing, It was the first example where I could think of games with "hacked" console games being official released. Wave race had Kawasaki removed for example. But I actually fought for both sides of the argument. I said hacks should include official, but then said that hacks shouldn't be by the same people to be considered hacks.

If you allow hacks to include hacks by the people who make the games, you have lots of licensed hacks. You have the the cart games that were originally released on the disk system. You have every translation ever released (most US games are hacks in this definition). So I refuse the fact that hacks can be made by the same people. Then it's just said that they use the same engine, released a different version, or something like that. That's why I don't think that Tekken is a hack of SFII unless it's by people with no connection to the original game (even if that connection is licensing). Maybe it's just semantics again, but I don't like the hacks category too big. (but not to say that tekken is a hacked version of sfii).

So I can't think of an example where hacks should be with licensed, but I still like hacks in pirates. Probably semantics again..