Famicom Problem

[senseiman]

RAM adaptors are pretty hard to find cheap actually, every once in a while you can luck out in a junk bin for 300-500 yen, but not often.

About the dispute, I am kind of in the middle.

On the one hand, I think it is unreasonable to expect systems to be tested on every possible game.  I usually use the same method when I test a system; toss a random game in to make sure it works and play for a few seconds to test the controls.  Also, these are decades old machines and if it says `as is` then that basically means as is.

On the other hand, I don`t understand the point of requiring him to go to the expense of mailing a broken part back, especially if it is going to cost that much.  I`ve had a couple of systems or games I have sold end up not working properly when the buyer received them and when that happens I will usually either send a replacement for free or offer a refund and let them do whatever they want with the defective item.  I don`t mark my stuff `as is` though, and I don`t sell FDS stuff, which is so notoriously finicky, so it might not work.

Anyway, this dispute seems to have spiralled out of control, it might be best for both of you to step back for a minute.  This is totally an honest mistake that could have happened to anyone selling an FDS, I don`t think there is any need to accuse each other of having terrible intentions and make it all personal like that.

[JohnnyBlaze]

I get where you're coming from. What really pissed me off was how he blew me off when I first mentioned the issue. I basically explained the problem in a couple of threads. He kept insisting that it was my disks rather than something with the machine. It's one thing if he were to say "okay, let me see what's up and I'll get back to you." But, when he goes all out to dismiss it as a problem with what I was using and even insulted a couple of people who mentioned it(i.e. eric when he mentioned what it could be), acting defensive, then I become suspicious. All I mentioned was true. Could've worded it better, but it's been an aggravating struggle with him to even ADMIT there was a problem to begin with.

It's as I said earlier. Say if it were a month or so later then it broke, I'd take responsibility and say that it's my job now. But, when it comes here with a problem, then it's frustrating. As you said, you test it with a few titles. He told me that all he did was stick Zelda in there, loaded it up, and turned it off. One of the games I had an issue with was Super Mario Brothers 2. I cannot think of anyone with a Famicom Disk System, especially one who sells and buys that WON'T have it. If he would've tested that game, it would've happened to him.

I don't like how he handled the situation, especially with the amount of money that changed hands. I sold my Vita to get this. Why? Because fixing my old Turbo Twin(that I hated to get rid of, but medical bills were bad as I had severe health problems at the time) and discovering all these videos on the various Famicom stuff that I never saw(I grew up with the NES) made me start doing videos of my own. At a time in my life where I'm really starting to go over what made me happy, that Turbo Twin did.

But, money was tight, so I got the Famicom and Disk System in box because I've NEVER seen it in box for sale over here in the States, ESPECIALLY in the New York Area. These stores over here want $500 just for a non working Twin Famicom!

Knowing all that, imagine my frustration when it came and Super Mario 2 was a glitchy mess and when playing other games, you don't know when or if it will glitch up. Then asking for an explanation and getting the cold shoulder, then when you find out it was what you suspected, he tries to turn it around and make me out to be the bad guy because I bought working units and not junk. That's what I expected. A Famicom Disk System with a glitchy RAM adapter is NOT a working unit(contrary to his belief). It's a broken unit. What am I supposed to do with an FDS with no working RAM adapter?

After spending over $300 for a working Famicom and Disk System and games, wouldn't you want what you paid for too?

[80sFREAK]

 I just lost $304.50 and a bunch of items quite desirable items paypal put money on hold.

Looks like we have deal with classic ebay-style scam.

Someone new bought items, ordered most expensive shipping, got the items. CLAIMED THAT TRANSACTION WAS NOT AUTHORIZED or so i can not see any other way to claim on personal payment. So paypal returnedput on hold all the money and i lost the items.
He got his money and he got all the goods.

And yes, i've got a claim on paypal "item not as described". For a whole lot

i offered $25 refund which is a half price of FDS. If he takes it, he is good boy, if not, he is scammer.
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As a result i will not accept paypal anymore. Thank you

[HokusaiXL]

Not even from those who have had fluid transactions with you before? D:  Was contemplating going through your sale list again but paypal is all I can do.

[jpx72]

You can claim not authorized transaction on personal transfer when YOU make it? How long after the transaction was made? That is outrageous!
BTW you should tell us who that was.

[80sFREAK]

Not even from those who have had fluid transactions with you before? D:  Was contemplating going through your sale list again but paypal is all I can do.

We will talk about it later. At moment i am at the point of loose of to be exactly $315.

2 jpx72 as i can see on paypal account it was personal payment. First he tried to pay as goods, but i bounced payment back. Now i have claim "item not as described". It looks like, if you are not american, any claim from another side will be resolved... oh, we will see... Just look above, you can see the whole story.

[HokusaiXL]

Curious if he'll even reply after all of this, or if he'll fade off into obscurity.

[Frank_fjs]

What a horrible situation, very saddening as none of this was necessary.

[80sFREAK]

We will see. As i said, i offered $25 partitial refund(half price of FDS system) as respond to claim. If he will accept it and close the dispute, he is good boy. otherwise he is ebay-style scammer.

[jpx72]

I have read the whole topic from the beginning and I must hold 80sFREAK's side.
JohnnyBlaze, you realy think that stealing $300 form 80sFREAK is a good way to resolve this issue?
Have you seen his feedback? EVERYBODY is happy. You are the only one who's not.
We all know and agree on using presonal payments on these purchases, Famicomworld is not an e-shop! The whole buy/sale thread works on friendship, trust and understanding the fact that every picece sold here is very very old and can stop working even during the shiping process.

[senseiman]

Man, that sucks.  25$ is way more than reasonable for a RAM adaptor.  I hope you get the money back, 80sFreak.

[manuel]

While I - as a consumer/buyer myself - can surely understand Johnny's position, that he wants working equipment for his (big amount of) money... I must say that in the end I'm on 80sFreak's side.
Because of the reasons already stated very well by several people above.
We're dealing with 20-30 year old merchandise here. It can be damaged during transit, during X-ray screenings or who knows what the customs people do with the package.

I also think that a 25$ partial refund is a generous and reasonable offer. For that money you can possibly get another adapter off eBay or the like. It's an additional effort - I know - but it's better than nothing.

As someone who has talked a lot and also dealt with 80sFreak I can say that while he may come off as rough and even unfriendly sometimes, he really isn't. He's a nice guy and I don't believe he'd knowingly sell defect items. I believe 100% that the item was working at the time of shipment. And in my opinion testing hardware with 1 or 2 games is in any case sufficient. You can't possibly test every piece of hardware for every possible contingency. That's just not feasible.

I hope you two find a good solution to this...

[JohnnyBlaze]

I love how now you're trying to paint me as a scammer.

I told PayPal that all I wanted was either a RAM Adapter or the money to get another($50 to send it to him as I suspected, but later found out it was $48. But, they told me that they couldn't put it through like that, but he'd put it in his notes.

A member came through and offered me a trade for a working one. If he still wants to accept it, after the shit you're trying to pull, I'll take the offer(should be no more that $12 Priority flat rate) If not, I want you to send me a working one. All I want is a working
RAM adapter. I'm not trying to SCAM anyone as you claim. I want an apology also from those saying I was WITHOUT hearing the other side of the story. I just sat here for all this time and asked for a RAM adapter. If I wanted the whole money back or was looking to scam, I wouldn't have responded.

[manuel]

I doubt the Paypal people do even remotely know what a RAM adapter or even a Famicom is. And their system is flawed. It's either all or nothing.

I don't know the whole story, so I won't judge anybody. I just hope you two will be able to work it out somehow.

[80sFREAK]

Well, looks like appetite coming during the meal and half price refund is already not enough.

At moment you took the good, which you not tend to send back and paypal put money on hold and most likely will return whole amount. It's a classic ebay-style SCAM.