Community Dump! 3 Famicom Prototypes!

[Bramsworth]

You need to tell us differences No one wants to spend the money when they don't know what they're paying for. I had a prototype recently I also was trying to gets funds for dumping, but absolutely no one was interested since I didn't have any way of dumping it then and wanted funds so I could buy a dumper. Since no one knew how early the game was on the cart, they didn't care. I'll probably never do things like that again.

[famiac]

Ok ill compare files this weekend. I know there are differences in holy diver.

[son_ov_hades]

I don't really see the point in paying you to just post a rom file. I mean you've already bought the carts and dumped them...maybe its just me.

[famiac]

When the games are dumped they lose value, this is a way to compensate me, the owner, and to provide the roms a place for eternal storage and use within the community at the same time.

[son_ov_hades]

Like I said, I don't see the point. Oh well, good luck.

[Jedi Master Baiter]

When the games are dumped they lose value, this is a way to compensate me, the owner, and to provide the roms a place for eternal storage and use within the community at the same time.

This is what I don't get about prototype collecting in the first place:

If they lose value when they're dumped, why'd you dump it in the first place?
And if you were intending to dump the rom before buying it knowing it'd lose value, why'd you buy it in the first place?
And if you dumped the rom for preservation purposes knowing the rom won't last long, again, why'd you buy it in the first place?
And who says the rom loses value after it's dumped?
And technically, you're not the real owner of the rom data you're raising money for. That's like me finding a vault of John Williams' entire sheet music collection, with demo samples, & unreleased orchestral pieces & selling digital copies (for eternal storage).

There I said it. Flame on.

[son_ov_hades]

^Yes, that

[133MHz]

If they lose value when they're dumped, why'd you dump it in the first place?

Data preservation. EPROMs can lose their data as decades march on, so an undumped prototype eventually will be lost forever. You can dump it and not release the ROM image if you want to preserve it without 'losing value'.

And if you dumped the rom for preservation purposes knowing the rom won't last long, again, why'd you buy it in the first place?

So you can dump it for preservation purposes? Kind of hard to do that if it's not yours and the owner doesn't like the idea.

Personally I don't see anything wrong with trying to recoup your costs in exchange for releasing the data to the community - it's your own property and you can do whatever you want with it. Not getting the donations flowing due to lack of interest (or people not seeing the point) is one of the risks you have to assume.

And who says the rom loses value after it's dumped?

And technically, you're not the real owner of the rom data you're raising money for. That's like me finding a vault of John Williams' entire sheet music collection, with demo samples, & unreleased orchestral pieces & selling digital copies (for eternal storage).

I agree with that, I don't get the whole 'value is lost when the ROM is out there' thing, since you're still the owner of the physical cartridge and I don't see how even a reproduction would lower the value of the real deal, being two different things. Also I don't feel comfortable with the idea of making money off a copyrighted work that's not yours, but if other people do it's none of my business and I'm not obliged to participate.


P.S.: Famiac, If I had some money right now I'd donate you a few bucks so you could replace the '5' key on your laptop.

[Bramsworth]

I never understand why people think anyone with prototypes have some sort of obligation to release the ROMs. Considering how there's some people out there who buy protos and then go into hiding never sharing what they have at all, you're lucky you're even being offered anything at all. And personally, after all the money that goes into obtaining prototypes usually, I'd definitely want to be paid at least half or so, else why does the whole world deserve it for free while I'm the only one that had to sacrifice any money? And like famiac pointed out, you're paying for its eternal storage on the internet, rather than being in the hands of just one person.

I think everyone's just a little too used to the fact that ROMs = free. Never forget, "no one owes you anything" is the phrase to remember

[famiac]

The cart loses value because anyone who wants to play this unique version no longer has to pay a premium, just make a repro. So demand goes down.

Also, i'm not trying to make money from copyrighted material, (even though i am) that's not the purpose of this project.

[Bramsworth]

Don't worry about it famiac, there's always haters when it comes to proto fundraisers, it comes with the territory 

[son_ov_hades]

Dump the cart, sell the cart, release dump after sale; money problems solved

Anyway sorry, I don't mean to shit all over your thread.

[famiac]

Hahaha no problem guys. Fw is too laid back for this shit.

[Bramsworth]

Dump the cart, sell the cart, release dump after sale; money problems solved

Anyway sorry, I don't mean to shit all over your thread.

Problem with that is it wouldn't be fair to whoever bought it to release it for free after they just spent all the money to get it from you. That is, if you aren't going to tell them anyway. And if you did ask if they'd be OK with that, I think you'd have a hard time getting many people to agree with it, really.

[Duke.Togo]

I don't mind the idea of these sorts of fund raisers. It's your item, do what you want with it whether that is to hide it away, dump for free, or try to recoup a few bucks.

I just won't consider donating to such a project if I don't have a clear idea of what the proto's contain, and probably wouldn't donate unless it was a previously unreleased game.

Having said that, I wish you the best for your fundraiser. Let us know what you have once you take a look.